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[–] TheDude2 1 points 45 points (+46|-1) ago 

You would be surprised at the amount of people that only listen to CNN and Soros funded twitter feeds.

They honestly think Trump is a racist and Hillary didn't do anything wrong.

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[–] frankenham 9 points 0 points (+9|-9) ago 

Trump favors torture and the NSA and openly admits to wanting to commit war crimes.. those aren't lies or propaganda it's words from his own mouth.

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[–] TheDude2 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Agreed. Hillary does as well, as least in a complicit way.

Bernie doesn't, but he supports Israel in ways that I don't like and his spending plan seems dangerous to me.

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[–] Ooga_Booga 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

We're fighting a very unconventional war against an unconventional enemy. I don't particularly favor torture but I would rather combatants be tortured than innocents killed. It's a case of the lesser evil. I support the use of the NSA for intelligence gathering and cyber warfare. I am as adamantly opposed to the NSA's domestic spying as I am of Obama's support of it. Honestly, I think Trump is the candidate which I am concerned in this regard. Is Trump racist? He is certainly white as well as a man and under the new rubric this qualifies him as racist as well as sexist but I tend to find the people making the new rubric to be the worst people of all.

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[–] Alybad 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree with torture in certain circumstances. If you can torture one person to save 1000, how is that not a net positive?

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[–] ArchmageMordenkainen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's only a war crime if you lose.

And honestly, morality is for civilians. When you fight a war, the only rule of engagement should be "fuck up the enemy." War will always be a terrible, visceral thing; polishing a turd to try and pretend it's something else will only make things worse in the long run. In any case, the majority of war crimes (like no expanding rounds) aren't actually more cruel than the traditional methods of killing, they just look or sound more cruel to the uninformed, and as such a ban is pushed by way of emotional appeal.

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[–] McBitches 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

Propaganda is legal.

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[–] ratsmack 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Unfortunately yes, but much of what the MSM does is libelous.

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[–] eagleshigh 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Propaganda can be used both positively and negatively.

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[–] cointelpro_shill 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

that's why we have meme magic

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[–] Vladimir_Komarov 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Thus the elite must put forward a candidate whom the people will believe is not beholden to them, but is actually fully under their control.

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[–] eagleshigh 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

^^^^^^^^^

Finally someone with some sense.

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[–] ArchmageMordenkainen 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If you're talking about Trump, he's hardly "under control."

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 5 points 1 points (+6|-5) ago 

Ya Bernie is awesome!

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[–] ArchmageMordenkainen 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The Honorable Chairman Comrade Sanders still takes money from special interests and from the Democratic Party. He does go against the establishment in some ways, but he pushes for the things the establishment wants the most (bigger government, open borders, amnesty, free trade) of his own volition anyways, so they let him do his song and dance. He's controlled opposition.

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[–] solidwhetstone 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

Yeah I don't think it's just the elite that are scared of Trump. The rest of the world and a good chunk of the US is terrified of just how much permanent damage he could do as president. Remember that Back to the Future II's Biff was based on Trump.

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[–] ArchmageMordenkainen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

But you could say that about any of the candidates. If you work under the assumption that all the evidence is fabricated and every word is a lie, then any (or all, for that matter) of the possible candidates could be the reptilian choice. So why not vote for the one that at least appears not to be?

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[–] Mr_Wolf 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I saw this last night on Facebook, people were posting articles with misleading headlines and getting upset about the headline.

I read the article and commented on the post ended up in an argument because they didn't read past the headline.

I have a fb feed of people that hate hillary, sanders and trump, they all seem to hate all three.

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[–] Fenrirwulf 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

I believe any thinking person must hate all 3, and any other person egotistical enough to run for any high-level political office, but the backlash against Trump makes him appear to be the most anti-establishment of the choices.

The only question that remains for me is if he is an insider that has stepped out of the box and the backlash is because he angered his keepers, or is he an insider that is playing a part to get the outsiders' votes.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Given the number of people who are actively working against him, I'd say Trump's fairly genuine in breaking out of the box. He might simply be doing this because he was losing in establishment back office politics, but he's certainly smashing the establishment order.

As for the theory that he's playing spoiler and intends to throw the election for Hillary, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it started, but Trump would've had to be playing a huge act for years if he isn't enough of an egomaniac to alter the deal once it became clear he has a real shot of winning.

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[–] afsa 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've always thought it is the latter.

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[–] Vladimir_Komarov 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is where I'm at. I fear that the establishment can sense the will of the people pulling away from established paradigms and hope to trick us into picking their guy while thinking it was our choice. Honestly, if a candidate isn't bent on overturning citizens united, I feel that they are part of the establishment regardless of what they or the media says. So far, that's none of them.

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[–] gregorypeckerwood 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

1010 Wins News the other day:

"A man maced a 15 year old girl at a Trump rally in Janesville Wisconsin yesterday. The teenager also punched a man who she says grabbed her breast."

Now, compare that sequence of events with the video tape. The girl punches a dude, THEN gets maced. Dear Dinosaur Media: This is the age of the internet, you can't lie anymore.

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[–] Sciency 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

What if I told you that trump says all this stupid shit because he knows how exploit the entire MSM into being his personal pro bono ad agency? Hes a billionare, hes pretty old, and he is very well connected. I seriously doubt he is in any way stupid like he pretends to be.

This is either very dangerous, or great news for america, and im not aure which.

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[–] eagleshigh 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

very well connected

To Jews.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

To everyone really, but theres definately some jews in the mix.

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[–] TelescopiumHerscheli 5 points -1 points (+4|-5) ago 

Actually, the evidence from Trump's actual business career (as opposed to his media career) is that he's fairly stupid. He's managed to grow the wealth he inherited at less than the risk-free rate, which suggests he's not even averagely smart.

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[–] sjwsaremindzombies 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He is a real estate guy who survived 2008. He's not stupid. He also has had a lot of fun and life experiences. He also created many jobs.

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[–] eagleshigh 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

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[–] Sciency 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

How much did he inherit, and what is his net worth today?

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[–] TAThatBoomerang 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I know exactly why. But if I tell you, I'll be labeled as a crazy [insert numerous negative adjectives] person. Even if you think you won't react that way, you probably will because people in the west has been taught, through both media and schools, to react like that towards the thing.

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[–] sineb 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well? Spit it out

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