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[–] Tablemonster 3 points 56 points (+59|-3) ago 

Fuuuuck Israel

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[–] Uncle_Tractor 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Israel is fucking us.

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[–] ginx2666 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

With POTUS's blessing, no less.

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[–] cuzimloony 4 points 48 points (+52|-4) ago  (edited ago)

He shoulda bombed Israel before leaving.

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[–] YellowSweaterVest 4 points 30 points (+34|-4) ago 

They turn them into drones. If you don't believe me, go find the story where they had an F16 shot down and the pilot was miraculously safe in an Israeli Hospital within a few hours.

Massive uptick of drone and AI warfare, using commerical aircraft as cover.

Israel is a shitstain on humanity.

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[–] ToFat2Fish 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What's wrong with turning then into drones?

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[–] YellowSweaterVest 2 points 32 points (+34|-2) ago 

No skin in the game is the problem.

Having someone in a dark room sat with Hillary, able to steer and select targets using a drone that two kids from Iowa deployed from a custom HMMV on a desert highway in an unknown country is bad enough.

Drone platforms are large, F-16 platforms are huge. Massive MOABS, nukes, enough pyload to put a pretty intelligent fuzzy AI computer in the machine that can take off, select and destroy targets, and land itself.

It takes the humanity out of war and puts martial power into the hands of the wealthy and connected who havent earned it.

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[–] fluhthreeex 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Nothing is wrong with drones.

@YellowSweaterVest is talking about some "fight me 1v1 fgt" macho bullshit. Money and production ability is the "skin" you have in the game. Drones are the new front-line, which is great: now we can drastically reduce the size and cost of the burdensome military, reduce the number of life-long pensioners and zog-fighters, who joined with any possible delusions of good intentions like "patriotic duty" or other.

In his last line he discusses the problems with current bureaucracy&legal code w/r/t 2A. For example, Soros can legally hire mercenary armies, but I can't own the weaponry and equipment the mercenaries do because I'm not an authorized or registered to do so. However I see the 2A as allowing me to. The courts currently interpret it differently. My reasoning is that militia's be damned, I am a well regulated army of one. Where is my own personal F-16? My own personal nuke? Why can't I mount machine guns on drones? Any rich person can hire mercenaries to do what they are wanting to get done, but I can't do it myself or with machines I can build or buy. Why?

Brave Heart won the War of Independence for the US by sniping Britfags in the woods and ferns with hatchets, bows, and muskets. Maybe I will need to do that some time to win a war... but today maybe I will need to get in my F-16, my F-35, tank, or unleash my swarm of drone weaponry against an invading army.

The future is drone warfare. Everyone else is moving forward with it. The news and government may tell you "oh no! no! this is unethical!" ...but they're building them. All of them. US, China, Russia, EU... don't be stupid.

We are approaching an age where the 2A is outdated and needs to be greatly expanded, yet we live in an age where it is being ever collapsed.

WRT drones: the atf won't even allow you to attach a pistol to a flying hobby drone in such a way that it can shoot. Why? Further infringement on our rights to bear arms.

IIRC the hunting ranch that had a site w/webcam, a rifle, feed traps, raised wildlife, and let people log in, and pay money to hunt deer was closed. Why? "too mechanical, plebs! you're not allowed to have this! only us!" --fuck you. my gun, my computer, my hardware, my ranch, my animals, my web-store, my business, my right, eat a dick.

The reason I demand In F-16, F-35, and nuclear arsenal is not that I personally actually want, expect to be able to possess and maintain them, keep them in good maintenance, and launch hyper-sonic nuclear missiles as my global sensor system detects, informs, and I decide that something is a threat that is worthy of destruction and global reprisal ("a well armed society..." --the problem today is not many have nukes). The reason is that when you negotiate you set the bar as high as possible so that there is room to negotiate downward. You will never set a bar at a certain point, enter a negotiation, have the other party do their part, and then raise the bar without the other party walking away and leaving you with your dick in your hand (though it has happened... I'm not quite sure recent history would show that for things like law however).

@YellowSweaterVest this post was not directed at you. I was posting a contrarian view of what you and only you had stated. There was only that one side of the argument. I hope you have sobered up and are having a hell of a hang-over, you raging bastard. 🎉

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[–] eronburr 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

Supposedly all planes are capable of being remotely controlled since 911, even commercial.

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[–] YellowSweaterVest 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

I used to work on Avionics, this isn't really true.

If you take a capability such as "autoland" and work backwards, there is no mechanism for this in most Commercial Aircraft. \

My equipment hooked up to the ARINC Bus and got data from the ADIRU and other telemetries so it could keep SATCOM dishes and equipment aimed properly.

I never saw any remote control equipment on any of the modern Airbus or Boeing or Bombardier aircraft I worked on.

That doesn't mean it couldn't have been bolted on, but Occams Razor leads me to believe that hijackers crashed the planes and pre-planted explosives brought the buildings down.

This may be what you are referring to, and it is most definitely worth sharing:

http://f4ct.co/CensorThis.html

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[–] speedisavirus 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I see you are low IQ. Avionics was literally my last career and you are full on retard.

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[–] speedisavirus 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

It's almost like you are a low IQ faggot. I worked on F-16s and had more than one pilot have to punch out in Iraq. They were fine.

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[–] YellowSweaterVest 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

And they made it back in uncontrolled airspace two countries away within a few hours?

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[–] Men13 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

Misleading title is misleading! And if course none of the people who commented here actually read beyond the title. Yet they all claim to be in the side of "reason" and "critical thinking"...

He didn't block the sale of F16s to Israel. He blocked Israel from selling their old F16s to Croatia.

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[–] CameraCode 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I got that, but I don't really see why he would block it.

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[–] CrustyBeaver52 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

They don't want the tech in Russian hands.

They don't trust the Croats.

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[–] cthulian_axioms 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's the principle of the thing.

Why should the Israelis get to make even more money by selling gear that we fucking gave them? Especially right after we just gave those assholes $38 billion as a Hanukkah gift? I get that Jews are gonna jew, but goddamn.

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[–] Men13 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Maybe because he doesn't want Croatia to have more powerful fighters that might give them ideas about Russia that could pull all of NATO in?

Maybe American companies want to sell fighters to Croatia and he doesn't want them to go with the Israeli deal?

It might not have anything to do with the middle East...

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[–] Men13 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

From the article:

we don’t think it is possible to get an agreement that will reconcile the U.S. conditions and the Croatian demands

Israel was making moves to modify [12 F16s] to better specifications before delivering the weapons to Croatia.

Mattis [...] accused Tel Aviv of attempting to sell the jets with advanced electronic systems that are superior to U.S.-made jets. Washington has instructed Israel to only sell the planes in their original condition.

The problem is Croatia wants things in the planes that the US doesn't want them to have.

Also, isn't it a bit... concerning that Israel upgraded F16 that they sell to 3rd parties are considered Superior to US made planes??

If that's what they are selling, what do they keep for themselves??

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[–] Morbo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yet they all claim to be in the side of "reason" and "critical thinking"...

There are a lot of Dunning-Kruger affected people on Voat. Critical thinking to them means being critical of anyone thinking differently then their in-group bias.

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[–] 30YOBoomer 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There are a lot of Dunning-Kruger affected people, period.

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[–] Ken_bingo2 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I read the article BECAUSE the title was AMBIGUOUS. You are a fucking idiot.

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[–] knightwarrior41 [S] 4 points 12 points (+16|-4) ago 

the real reason he got fired?

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[–] 15858629? 4 points 8 points (+12|-4) ago 

and now he's being replaced with someone that wont block it.

still think Trump is playing for America

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[–] Jay_Mac 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't.

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[–] downton-stabby 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Either that or he's brainwashed like the rest of the Israel First people.

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[–] 15859743? 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

yeah it's pretty clear, donald is playing for the jews, he always has been and always will be. He was openly stating during him campaign run in 2016 that he was going to do whatever he needed to for them, except people are retarded and pacified now and listen to only what they want to hear.

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[–] 15859467? 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Gonna need a better source on this

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[–] speedisavirus 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

There isn't one because it's literally fake because Mattis isn't legally able to do this.

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[–] Niggertown 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

"Still not getting your soul back, James 'Zog Dog' Mattis."

-Satan

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[–] amendthediscourse 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Browntown, you is confused and shit. The soul is not under Satan’s control.

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