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[–] Fullmetal 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

We need to make hiring foreigners cost just as much, or more than, hiring Americans.

If a company replaces an American with a foreigner then they should be taxed the difference in salary. If it costs $30k/yr to employ an American, and a company decides to hire an Indian at $15k/yr then they should be taxed the $15k/yr for the harm they're doing to our economy.

[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Companies are already smart to this. They are not hiring foreigners anymore. They are contracting out all positions to outsourcing firms that then hire the foreigners. The counts don't match because they may have 3 times as many foreigners working at any given time.

If they do a straight replacement they may actually pay the same or more. My old company actually paid more salary for each Indian per the contract but there were no other costs (insurance, time off, hiring/firing costs) so they were cheaper overall on paper. Of course the rework and slower overall output wound up eating any savings but they never saw that on paper.

[–] Fullmetal 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

We need to close those loopholes, and make companies accountable for the hiring practices of their contractors.

[–] AnarchicAlpaca 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes. see "Indeed."

[–] Wharleas 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It is already so. The common case of H1B aliens:

  • You have to pay them more than market average for that job
  • There must not be a US worker who can do it despite the high pay
  • Discriminating on the basis of H1B is legal
  • Application has ~$10k in govt fees
  • Cannot apply without paying a lawyer even more
  • Company must pay the fees, charging the alien is illegal
  • Whole application process takes many months (cannot start working until it's done)
  • You can only apply during 1-2 periods in the year, each period is a ~5 day window because it fills up so fast
  • Even if your guy qualifies perfectly, there's still a lottery and he has a 1 in ~10 chance of actually getting it (fees not refunded if he fails)
  • Most of the visas every year are given out to handful of entrenched companies like Tata anyways

The problem is that some companies find loopholes. Over time, these loopholes were "attacked" by adding more bureaucracy. But the bad actors are not getting away with it because there's not enough rules, they get away with it because they're corrupt. They have special deals with the government where they'll get ~1k blank visas every year. Then none of the above issues apply - they've basically been pre-approved and are free to hire whatever Indians or whoever they want, which they of course use to hire bulk labor. So we have a system that does nothing to prevent what it's supposed to (flooding with mediocre workers) and when companies legitimately need to hire a very qualified foreign expert, they can't because of the regulatory burden (at this point the H1B process is only realistic if you're doing it at the scale of thousands of apps every year).

[–] Blunt_Echo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I disagree with your plan. We need to prevent the hiring of foreigners—period. There is absolutely no task that cannot be performed by an American if the company is willing to pay the appropriate wages. Foreigners can come and visit (except for chinks), and spend their money. But they need to get the fuck out after a period of time.

[–] autoencoder 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

That would lead to autarchy, which results in a reduced standard of living for every party, compared to embracing freer trade.

[–] Fullmetal 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

We need to prevent the hiring of foreigners—period.

That's unrealistic. People will still hire them.

[–] EdSnowden 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just make foreigners pay twice the income tax and businesses twice the payroll tax on foreign employees.

Problem will be solved asap

[–] Fullmetal 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

They get around that bullshit by outsourcing, and using contractors.

If I'm running a company, and I want to hire a team of Indians to work for me then I wouldn't go looking for a bunch of Indians wanting jobs. I'd contract with an outsourcing company to provide me with a service, and they'd provide the workers. It simplifies my accounting. Instead of needing to maintain payroll records for a bunch of Indians I'd just write one check to the company I contracted with. If that company provides a bunch of foreigners then it's not my problem because I'm not responsible for policing their hiring practices. Throw in a couple of extra shell companies to obfuscate the money flows, and you'll need forensic accountants to figure out what's going on. Now, if it saves me a bunch of fucking money that's all the better!

That's the shit we need to tackle. We need to tell American companies that they're obligated to impose their hiring practices on all companies they've contracted with.