[–] neogag 2 points 25 points (+27|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Self-avowed communists and socialists illegally owning the government and appointing themselves as a ruling class is somehow blamed on free market capitalism. It often sounds like "See? Capitalism doesn't work so we need socialism!"

Free market capitalism is not anarchy. There is a minimal set of fundamental rules. These rules have been broken as the players of the game have now bought the referees.

Government regulation that limits the government being taken over is not socialism nor "big government." Conversely, large corporations owning the government is not capitalism. A capitalistic government must only have regulations insofar as it is the referee of an otherwise completely free game.

We all agree on what the parameters of the game are. Even the offending companies acknowledge the rules and try to hide their offenses. All companies, including the now offending ones, are started under this agreement of what the game entails. That they now turn around and cheat when able is explicitly disallowed by law.

They need to be penalized heavily.

[–] mrfetus 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

A good argument for NatSoc.

[–] Plavonica 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Socialism

No thanks. I'm for Nationalism however, up to a point. That point being: love the people, not the government.

[–] GapingAnus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There is a minimal set of fundamental rules.

The problem is that there is significant disagreement on the amount, type and scale of those rules.

[–] neogag 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There is little disagreement though over the fundamental rule that you can't buy the government. Even the worst offenders go to great lengths to hide or spin their offenses because they know they are breaking the contract under which they (supposedly) founded their company in the first place. Virtually nobody other than the offenders themselves (many of them self-avowed communists, I will remind you) disagrees with these fundamentals. Even the most ardent communist regimes always spin their ownership of the government as ownership by the proletariat, and don't dare openly admit that they are breaking the social contract.

Also, a lot of regulations and laws are created by these offending corporations, e.g. regulations that are easy for a large corporation with a compliance department to navigate, but cripple smaller companies. These make up a very significant portion of the disputed legislation, and they are generally only being pushed by the offending companies. Nobody else would go to congress and advocate for, say, H1B visas. The extent to which the amount, type and scale of regulations is disputed is very significantly inflated by these offending players who own the government, and this applies to many domains including tech, environment, etc.

Much of the disagreement on legislation is about socialism and "big government" so clearly eliminating the communists/socialists who are pushing us in that direction would make it easier for everyone who did not break the rules to reach an agreement.

[–] kalgon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The problem is that there is significant disagreement on the amount, type and scale of those rules.

Indeed

Needless to mention different jurisdictions/nations, who happen to be interconnected via trade deals and telecommunications in general

[–] ParsedOutput 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think most anarchic societies have rules.

[–] shitstartercarter 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

When I meet all the socialists and communists are where I live. I try to make it a point that we as younger people have never lived under actual capitalism. We've lived under crony capitalism for so long these idiots don't understand how negatively socialism would impact their lives. They'd like to share their misery with everyone via force from the government.

[–] neogag 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'd like to preemptively address a low hanging fruit that anti-capitalists would surely want to respond with: you wrote "we as younger people have never lived under actual capitalism." This is easy to compare to the leftist excuse "real Communism has never been tried." I want to point out that real capitalism has existed in various forms, and while it was not without flaws it has generally proven to be the only thing we know of that works.

But nothing lasts forever, and what we are seeing now is cancer setting in.

[–] greenthumb1776 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Did you guys catch this?

“The top recipient of Google’s lobbying spending in 2014 was the Podesta Group, founded by Clinton loyalist and founder of the Center for American Progress and its subsidiary ThinkProgress.”

The TOP recipient of lobbying spending is the PODESTA group!! If I ever doubted the vileness of this company I sure as heck won’t do it now.

These people are sick.

[–] JohnQzCitizen 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

just one of many, right across the street from Congress.... where BIG money buys all the votes they want, from either party. Right, Clinton Foundation?

[–] myshpqmc 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just as communists Bought coward USA.

Rape is nothing and coward USA would let communist rapist free, which is often banned to speak in redd*t. https://www.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/9f7gla/rape_is_nothing_and_coward_usa_would_let/

Slow coward failure America likes to make the war as long as possible, already said far far more earlier and banned.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kentucky/comments/8oqhe2/china_government_has_legally_stolen_37523/

Is slow coward USA doing the same thing that USA just waits a few months until China yuan is down 10% to $, then dares to tax 10% on $505 billions, and thus gets 10%-10%=0% in real trade? After all, USA has loved China communists and their ZTE for decades. My English is so bad?

1, USA shouts that USA would put tariff on $500 billion goods made in China to change anti-freedom trade with China.

2, China devalues (downs) its currency yuan 10% to USA currency $.

3, then USA dares to really put tariff 10%, and gets nothing in real trade because 10%-10%=0%, which means that prices of goods made in China are decreased 10% by means of China government devaluing yuan 10%, and prices of goods made in China are increased 10% by meanings of USA government putting tariff 10% on all, and thus prices in trade not changed in total.

4, ZTE is always controlled by China communists, and sells anti-freedom system to Iran and Korea, and banned by USA and then supported by USA at last.

Just the first sentence I said, if you cannot read more sentences. "Coward USA is too slow, which would make the war last long and thus make USA fail eventually."

Coward USA is too slow, which would make the war last long and make USA fail. China yuan is already down 4% to USA dollar. So the real tariff in trade would be 10%-4%*500/200=0% for the new 10% tariff on $200 billions of China goods.

Notice: $500 billions is the minimal of goods made in China exported to USA. So China yuan downing (or devaluation of China currency to America currency, now about 4% down) affects more than $500 billions goods exported to USA, but new tariffs expected only affects $200 billions goods exported to USA. So the result of the new tariffs on the whole trade of goods made in China but exported to America here is only 10%-4%*500/200=0%.

Maybe USA can keep torturing Children (news about immigrants) and infants (news about USA believing cow milk is much better than mother milk or breast milk for infants), and make China communists keep stealing $375 billions and millions of American jobs from USA every year, since all these would make America great again.

Is USA a coward failure only shouting 200 billion and shouting 500 billion with doing nothing real while China communists have been keeping beating USA?

The simplest example in life to see the unfair robbery nature of China communists...(rob money from Chinese,rob work from Ameircans)

If you transfer money from banks not in China (for example, D) to China bank,Zero fee. But if you transfer back,that's to say, if you transfer money from China bank to banks not in China (for example,D), very high fee. That's the fairness? So, we got to know why China bank would not like fair competition with other banks, and China communists did unfair competition very well. (By the way, there is a little fact : China top four communist banks are the four biggest and richest banks all over the world. )

China bank says: If you transfer money out of mainland,for example, if you transfer money to USA , the fee is 1‰, 50¥ at least for each.And there is also tele fee,150¥ each time. And there also may be other fees.

So, if you are a Chinese and want to buy an American goods, you transfer 500¥ to your account outside China, and China bank just simply takes off more than 200¥ from you just because you want to buy an American goods. Moreover, if you take this American goods back to China, you may face high tax by China communists as well. So, we got to know why China goods would not like fair competition with USA goods, and China communists did unfair competition very well. (By the way, there is a little fact: China communists legally steal $375 billions and millions of American jobs from USA in 2017 by anti-freedom trade.)

And all above here lasts for decades!

Seen in "China government has legally stolen 375.23 billions from USA in a single year..." http://bbs.aboluowang.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1062885&extra=page%3D2

Edit:I take no order from anyone. For those super Nazis, Can you and the followers read English?

Or you just don't want true free trade without tariffs?

Come on, Nazis and racists and communists, just ignore the truth, attack me and remove.

If no reply or late reply or this removed, blame redd&t and vo&t, not blame me, because its not my control, and sometimes because "You have reached your daily comment quota. Your current quota is 10 comment(s) per 24 hours." which could also be false for you did not make 10 comments a day but you cannot reply.

[–] kalgon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

FREE TIBET!! FREE TIBET!!

[–] polygeek 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Dude. You're making the assumption our government is listening to us. You are wrong. We've had corporate-influenced selective information blackout for the last decade at least, with the worst bit of it happening in the last year and a half. As a result, we are in the middle of a culture war here in the US...

Don't oversimplify this as cowardice.

On economics: Dictatorships are extremely efficient at some things. Assuming you are Chinese, would you agree the social cost of "beating the US" at the expense of Foxconn suicide nets has been worth it..? I hope your answer is NO.

[–] thekey 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Duck 🦆 Go's traffic spiked in the last few months.

[–] jollux 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] polkadottedhero 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it needs to be pointed out that this isn't news, it's the interpretation of an activist that's anti-Google. Most big businesses "buy" Congress. Oil, Pharma, Banking. Remember the evil cigarette lobbyists back in the 90s?

The average person can't compete with all the money these industries have. @ProgNaziGator has great idea. We need to agree to disagree and break these big businesses up. Add the big Pharma and Oil companies to the mix as well.

I am just not sure how it could be done especially since politicians only say they'll do what we want to get elected and then forget when they get their Monsanto $$$. Sorry, I mean their Bayer bucks.

[–] ProgNaziGator 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Left couldn't hurt walmart and we can't stop google. This is an example of where divided we fsll.

We need to make alliance with left to bust up monopoly and oligopolies. Amazon-facebook-walmart-monsanto-comcast- etc..

Divided we fall

[–] sir_andy_of_bad 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Oh they're more than free to grow a brain and join us.

[–] freedumbz 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If they want to delete us we should delete them.

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