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[–] BLOODandHONOUR 1 point 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

The U.K. Welcomes terror. Terror has been the vehicle by which surveillance and the police state will come to fruition.

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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Remember that the Russian FSB alerted the FBI to the Marathon bombers, and they did nothing about it? 3 people died. Business as usual.

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[–] Conde_Nast 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Remember when several different countries warned the US that 9/11 was going to happen?

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[–] 9322186? ago 

only 3

K.

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[–] OKythen 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

It's just a coincidence...

The English government ignored the warning.

England now has troops on the streets.

"Racists" are being arrested.

The bombing was NOT a hate crime....

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[–] aaronC 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

England wants refugees for cheap labor, and they know they will cause problems and will allow the passing of draconian thought crime laws, invasion of privacy, militarization of police, and removal of political opponents due to "racism".

Liberal establishment gathers support for the refugees, so people want them in so they can cause problems. Conservative establishment passes fucked up laws because of the refugees. The liberals who are responsible for those laws being in demand because of their policies blame the conservative establishment for passing the laws. Conservatives rightly point out this is happening due to refugees, and liberals shut them down with hate speech accusations, while the conservative establishment does nothing.

They have a really fucked up system going on. Most of Europe is heading toward a future where they think they are free, but live in constant fear of being killed or saying the wrong things.

I hope that both sides will realize populism is the only way out of this, regardless of if you're liberal or conservative (in a traditional sense, perhaps I should say neo-liberal and neo-conservative).

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[–] EloquentOgre 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Same reason big money wants illegal immigration in the U.S., and why, to combat illegal immigration, going after the immigrants is only attacking the symptom of the real problem - the lure drawing them in are employers who use them for cheap labor, and to drive down wages and benefits more and more. I'm sure many of you in small towns in states far, far from the border remember some big name superstores popping up in the area, and suddenly, your community got more colorful. Strange how that happens, eh? Why isn't Trump talking about efforts to make it harder to employ illegals? Like E-verify? Stiff penalties for employing illegals, prison, crippling fines? It'd be a huge first step, and an easy one at that, but I don't believe that anyone at that level of government has any real intention of cutting off the flow.

Refugees are even more of a buffet for these beasts because they are even more desperate. It's just downright ugly - and as aaronC mentioned, they are a goldmine for those wanting to bolster the police state and government surveillance.

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[–] Dibgick 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

1984 you are describing. That system is communism.

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[–] welcome_to_voat 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Incompetence and ulterior motives aside, part of the reason the current climate on immigration issues is bad is because we are taking in more than we can handle.
People often scoff when they hear that some terrorist was on a list, blame and name-call police and investigators/intel guys, etc. But the thing is, if you want civil rights, privacy, etc. intact, then it takes time and effort to build a proper criminal case.
Many terrorists spend a lot of time in the initial stages, so you track them (which is costly and we can't be closely monitoring everyone) but without an attack beong imminent, they move on to other investigations. And then some time later (months or years), they meet up with some new "friends" and get told to bring this backpack to some train station or arena, and BOOM.
Then we scoff at "agencies" and then have a #privacy protest and a #morerefugees protest, and the cycle repeats.

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[–] Troll 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

And the MI5 responded with: Assalam Alaikum FBI, we shall watch the white little girls get blown to pieces.

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[–] PsyOp 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Heh...the (((FBI))) warned (((MI5))) that Salami Aberdi was planning to (((terrorize))) the (((UK))).

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[–] jabba 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't get why they can't arrest these fucks for attempt, attempted conspiracy, conspiracy, some kind of crime before they've actually committed it. If the mufucka bought nails for a a nail bomb that's attempt! If we know who these people are we can monitor them and nail them (so to speak) when they take that step towards the crime. Makes me think, and I know we already suspect, that the powers that be really don't want to take these people down.

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[–] Dibgick 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

That is exactly what is going on. The attitude of the mayor of London is a revelation of how little esteem they (politicians in general) have for the life of their citizens.

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[–] Caesarkid1 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Fuck just round'em up for being Islamic. Problem solved.

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[–] Haych ago 

They probably don't want to because of "upsetting" people. But being on the highest threat level the UK can be on, I think every lead is justified, if there is a reason for you to be a terrorist then check. If they aren't, well GOOD. If they are, then you have stopped them.

 

I'm all for privacy but I also don't want to be blown up.

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[–] Rebel_Media_FTW 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Along with 23,000 others.

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[–] derram 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

https://archive.is/SiVIZ | :

FBI 'warned MI5 in January that Salman Abedi was planning terror attack in UK' | The Independent

'British intelligence agency MI5 was reportedly warned by its US counterpart that Salman Abedi was planning an attack on UK soil, three months before he blew himself up outside an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester. '

'Police have so far arrested 14 people on suspicion of terror offences in conjunction with the Manchester attack, two of whom have since been released. '

'It was thought at the time that Abedi was planning to assassinate a political figure. '

'Detectives believe they have detained “a large part of the network” involved in planning the attack. '

'In response, defence officials said that at any one time they are juggling 500 terror investigations involving 3,000 subjects. '

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