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[–] bdmthrfkr 20 points 75 points (+95|-20) ago 

The European Race was the founder of Western Civilization. Can we all agree with that? Is there a problem with that statement?

Western Civilization is, in my opinion the defining culture of progress, both politically and technologically. Are we still together here? Hmm?

No other race invented what Europeans (my forefathers, who fought and dies to protect their way of life) did. Sure, if you have brown skin that is not a mark against you but it is up to you to beg to be included in the culture that Europeans developed.

Otherwise fuck off, we owe you nothing.


[–] carlinco 12 points 28 points (+40|-12) ago 

The cradle of modern civilisation was mostly the area around modern day Iraq. That's where farming started, where the first 'modern' religions formed, the first writing systems, where knowledge from east, west, and south was collected and all the good stuff was carried to the rest of the world. And so on.

Greece was the first advanced European civilisation - and all of a sudden so advanced it's unbelievable, judging by Epikur or by the Antikythera mechanism. And was eventually destroyed by a far less advanced Rome, which then was destroyed from the inside by a primitive governing system, and finished off by European barbarians.

Only when those backward barbarians got threatened by the Muslims did they start learning from them. At the same time, dry conditions in the Middle East and other factors made those areas grow less, while new farming methods in the north led to a population explosion.

The Chinese, first with the Huns, then with the Mongols, nearly overran us. Which would have stopped the European age dead in its tracks. And were stopped by pure luck, not by our non-existing skills or weapons at the time. And they brought us paper, explosives, and so on. It's actually a miracle that from 800 to 1800, they stagnated on pretty much the same level, which we only surpassed in the middle of the industrial revolution, and only thanks to dirty tricks like opium trade.

We'd probably still be a backwater farming region (all praying to Allah by now) if it wasn't for Averroes and other brilliant thinkers, which gave us the knowledge of Greece and some new knowledge added in the meantime by others, preparing the way for the Renaissance. Some great luck helped, too - like establishing smiths in every town, probably only thanks to the British taking part in the crusades, who were already used to the masses using weapons, while the rest of the world preferred weapons technology in a few select hands.

While the Muslim world, for inexplicable reasons (and because the Mongols destroyed the ivory tower of the world at the time, Baghdad), turned their backs on their best thinkers and deteriorated into dictatorships, infighting, and stagnation - probably also partly because of desertification.

Only since the renaissance did we actually have a few advantages over others - at that time mostly in thinking and economics, not so much technologically. It was already enough to discover the whole world, to prosper from trade routes to all corners of the world, and so on.

The Spanish kicked the Jews out, who, as they were not allowed to work in traditional areas, helped create banks and markets, among others; making possible the spread of modern banking and trading from Italy to the rest of Europe, whereby interestingly, every step further north added new advances - see Netherlands in the 1600s, or Britain from 1688.

And only with the industrial revolution and enlightenment did we actually leave everyone else completely in the dust - which is the reason why Europe was suddenly not only having some outposts and barely managed territories, but actual colonies everywhere. And could take over the territories of the more isolated and therefore less developed people all over the world.

During the whole time, the Chinese and Japanese actually kept up quite well. The Indians and Egyptians would have, if colonial powers hadn't deliberately kept them down. It's likely the industrial and scientific revolution would have started there if the Netherlands had lost a war too many, and William of Orange had never happened.

And Europe is nothing special anymore since the two world wars destroyed all its advantages. Europe's standard of living is not higher than in many other places in the world. New technology is barely coming out of it. And so on.

That all is now with the US - not least due to all the bankers, scientists, and other talents who left Europe when it only used them as scapegoats for everything going wrong.


[–] ForgotMyName 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago 

Thank you for the rebuttal. All this nonsense about Europe being independently awesome with no mention of Asia is completely idiotic.


[–] salsamang 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Epic narrative


[–] CobraStallone 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Only since the renaissance did we actually have a few advantages over others

I'm sorry, the Greeks and the basis of philosophy, mathematics, democracy, out ideal canons of the human body, is that for nothing? The Late Republic Early Imperial professional legionnaire and their impressive organization? Better than most. Better than everybody except the Han Chinese core during a few peaks of high population but stable centralized states.

So yeah we rule, sorry about that.


[–] bdmthrfkr 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 



[–] SeemsReasonable 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I agree with op and I agree with you. Where does that leave me?


[–] KEK_is_truth 1 points 39 points (+40|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The best way to judge individuals is by their actions.

However the best way to judge groups is by the average actions of that group.

So while 'not giving as fuck about someones race' is both good and accurate, applying the same concept to entire groups is spectacularly dangerous and irrational.

Found four more PTES, disregard them





tehyucc, continue


[–] LostandFound 4 points -4 points (+0|-4) ago 

Leaves you where you should be. Confused because European is not a race.


[–] Ho-Chi-Min-Me 12 points 6 points (+18|-12) ago 

Egypt to Greece to Rome is the foundation of Western Civilization. I would say that's far more Mediterranean than European.

Also, you didn't do shit, your ancestors did.


[–] bdmthrfkr 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago 

Please look at a map and then get back to us. Thank you.


[–] carlinco 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

And there's far more Persian and other Asian influence in that than we acknowledge.


[–] PsyOp 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

For the past 30 years white people have been systematically brainwashed to hate themselves, integrate with the minorities, and to miscegenate with them, so that the white race will be exterminated. So, when one of these people says " I don't give a fuck about their race." what they're are really saying is "I don't give a fuck about my race."