While enjoying a Christmas party this evening, I had a conversation with a concerned Christian about Jordan Peterson. He said he wasn't sure he could trust JP, that something about him didn't seem right, because he never seems to defend Christian values, but he couldn't quite put his finger on how or why. It could tell this man I was speaking with was listening to his gut, but was unable to substantiate his instincts with evidence, simply because he didn't have it. I explained a few things to him regarding JP's double standards with regard to nationalism/tribalism, and how he appeared to compromise his own expressed principles by favoring an appeasement strategy regarding Kavanaugh's confirmation. In the process of talking about this stuff out loud though, I realized I did not have enough info and examples locked and loaded to effectively educate him. He wanted more info, so I said I would send him more later.
So, while I search out everything I can find on this matter (which I will post in this thread as I go), I would appreciate your help. Any videos, interviews, debates, articles, chan posts, memes, anything you can direct me towards that reveals JP's true nature and agenda, please, post it here.
Thank you, in advance.
My findings so far (this list will grow throughout the evening):
Kavanaugh confirmation Tweet
JP's explanation of the tweet /groan
There was a really long chan post explaining in great depth how JP is a shill... but I'm having trouble finding it right now...
Here he is, shitting on European pride:
"I do believe, that for reasons that aren't obvious, the west has got some things right. We've got the sovereignty of the individual right. That's the most fundamental thing we've got right. We've articulated that, I think, in a remarkable way, not only theologically, philosophically, in our body of laws, and our societies, and one of the consequences of that as it's had it's effect on the rest of the world is that everyone is getting richer, quite fast. And that's a really good thing. OK, having said that, it's like, am I proud of that? It's like, I didn't do that. What the hell, pride, what's that? That's not the right response. How bout responsibility for that? How would that be? It's like, you're a part of this great and unlikely set of propositions, this strange set of propositions, that says that in some ineffable manner, the poorest person is as valuable as the king. It's like, how the hell did we ever figure that out? That's an impossible thing to think, and yet, that's the bedrock of our legal system. That's nothing to be proud of. That's something to tremble before. To take on as an ethical burden, not to wave a flag for how wonderful you are, that you happen to have the same skin color as some of the people who thought that up. It's not the right response. It's like it's, it's to open your eyes and recognize that as a miracle, and a relatively new miracle on the world stage, and to participate in the process of upholding that in your personal and your public life. That's not pride in European tradition.
"When I go to Europe, and I love going to Europe, and the European cities are unbelievable masterpieces, which is why they're completely flooded by pilgrims, right? Tourists. Pilgrims who go there to look at the beauty. It's like, I don't feel pride about that. I feel like I have something to live up to. That's not the same thing man. And so these right wingers, and this, it's like 'Look what we've done!' It's like, no. It's not you that did that. That's something man. You gotta have your act together before you would dare to say 'well that was me.' It's like, 'yeah sure, sure it was you, yeah right.' No. That's hard, to stand up and take your place in that kind of historical process, that unlikely miraculous historical process. Not to just feel ashamed at the way that you're presently constituted in the face of that means that you're deluded, and you're using your great fortune at being a beneficiary of that system. Look at what we've got here, this great peace that we're inhabiting right now. You're using your unearned... the unearned gift that's being granted to you as a source of personal pride in your accomplishments due to your skin. It's like, no. Not good. Not a good argument.
"And that doesn't mean that there's nothing valuable about European culture, there's plenty about it that's valuable. It's not even clear to what degree it's European, I mean, it came out of the middle east, you know. I mean, who... it's so muddleheaded that you hardly know where to start.
"Hopefully that was less than 5 minutes... There we go! Dispensed with the radical right-wingers in 4 minutes."
Juden Peterstein tweet and JP's response
Milo's article about Peterson: Jordan Peterson is the wrong kind of chameleon
Adam Piggott's article Not only is Jordan Peterson not an alpha male, he’s a member of the left intelligentsia:
Ultimately I believe that Peterson is an elaborate and very clever deception to prevent young men from inadvertently straying off the progressive reservation by using sophisticated messaging via a platform that seems on the surface to be a genuine alternative to the prog reality. The real proof is in the fact that Peterson himself continues to be successful in the extremely insular and political progressive bastion of university education. Not only that but his fiefdom is clinical psychology, itself one of the most perverted fields in a perverted kingdom. You cannot remain in that environment and consider yourself to be apart from it, let alone pure and untainted.
JP on the JQ:
I’m called upon–sometimes publicly, sometimes on social media platforms–to comment on such matters, and criticized when I hesitate to do so (although God only knows why I would hesitate 🙂
Hint: He's married to a Jew who he dare not upset.
In this post of his, he uses the term "the far-right" repeatedly, but then says things like this:
If you’re misguided enough to play identity politics, whether on the left or the right, then you require a victim (in the right-wing case, European culture or some variant) and a perpetrator (Jews).
So he's playing identity politics while simultaneously criticizing such strategies... The Jordan cries out in pain as he strikes you.
Vox Day article "Confessions of a former, Jordan Peterson fan...":
So, I accepted some of Vox's challenges. One was to simply "read" what JP was saying, instead of "listening" to it. Wow, what a difference! Reading JP's words, I found they were devoid of the meanings I had been assigning to them. What he meant by good, evil, God, truth, etc. was not what I knew these words to mean.
When JP said to always tell the truth, I plugged my definition of truth into his statement. When JP said this or that position was "evil", I plugged my definition of evil into his statement. When JP talked about "consciousness" I "heard" my definition of consciousness, or "being" or whatever.
I'll summarize: If you believe any of the following, then JP is your man:
- There is no such thing as Objective Truth.
- Truth is whatever helps you survive.
- Being or State of Being is contingent on your acceptance of truth (little "t") and rejection of "evil" (little 'e').
- Evil is that which hinders you.
- Jesus represents a state of being, but not a person, and definitely NOT the Son of God (God being the Creator).
- Satan represents a state of being, but is not an actual fallen angel.
- Social hierarchies exist, however, if you are too low or high, that's evil. The goal is the middle, that's where "good" is.
- All ideas of God / gods are simply mankind's attempts to explain states of being.
- Belonging to a "group" will negatively affect your being.
- All concepts of "good", "evil", God, Being, heaven / hell can be unified and coalesced into one concept...the one JP supports.
Another good Vox Day article, "The myth of Jordan Peterson's integrity", which is a rebuttal of JP's JQ post:
Peterson's argument is not merely incorrect, literally every single aspect of it is false. It is so resolutely and demonstrably false that it is not possible for Jordan Peterson to have constructed it in innocence by mistake. In my opinion, it clearly represents a purposeful intent to deceive his audience and falsely accuse those he labels "the far right".
This video is a cut-throat analysis of how full of shit Peterson is. Thanks to @SirDigbyChikenCaesar for sharing it.
TIL: There is a 10,000 character limit to a post :( I have had to delete some of the quotes I made above so that I can fit in more links/sources :,(